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Scrantonicity
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Re: Discuss the draft

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heggos wrote:
Vogel wrote:Sheets signing with the A's has to affect some draft picks. Ducheserereererererere, Anderson...who else is affected?
Just curious: how do you see this affecting Anderson's value, even a little bit?
It doesn't- not a bit. If anything, makes him more valuable- team's more competitive with Sheets, leading to more confidence in the clubhouse.
C Varsho
1B Joe, Smith
2B Torres
3B Bohm, Kim
SS Witt, Lopez
OF Soto, Mullins, Grossman, Naquin
U Suzuki, Gorman
SP Alcantara, Montas, Verlander, Rodriguez, Greene, Corbin, Kelly, Glasnow
RP Iglesias, Rogers, Trivino, Barnes, Giles
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Re: Discuss the draft

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From MLB.com depth chart for rotation:
Braden
Cahill
Mazzarro
Anderson
Duchsherer

One of those guys is the odd man out.
C - S Murphy
1b -Bell
2b - Muncy
SS- Lindor
3b - Vlad Guerrero Jr.
OF - Robles, Puig, Verdugo
UTIL -Adell, Kike, Taylor, Bauers, Bote, Dalbec
SP - Ray, Fried, Canning, Cease, Lester, Pearson
RP - Barnes, Kelly, Harris, Wood, Nelson
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Re: Discuss the draft

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BTW, can we put a cap on during draft trades? This is getting a tad ridiculous.
C - S Murphy
1b -Bell
2b - Muncy
SS- Lindor
3b - Vlad Guerrero Jr.
OF - Robles, Puig, Verdugo
UTIL -Adell, Kike, Taylor, Bauers, Bote, Dalbec
SP - Ray, Fried, Canning, Cease, Lester, Pearson
RP - Barnes, Kelly, Harris, Wood, Nelson
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Re: Discuss the draft

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Vogel wrote:BTW, can we put a cap on during draft trades? This is getting a tad ridiculous.
Agreed. I can understand moving up to snag Adam Lind, Nelson Cruz and other players that have clearly slipped and won't make it back, but we're talking about trading up to picks in the upper 300's to select your 4th RP.

Fucking up my fuckin' speadsheet....fuck.
C M. Montero
1B Butler
2B Cano
SS Aybar
3B P. Sandoval
OF Heyward/Trumbo/Pagan/McLouth/Kubel
U Freese/Morneau/Pronk
SP Peavy/B.Anderson/Lynn/Holland/McCarthy/Baker
RP Marshall/W.Wright
DL Beachy
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Re: Discuss the draft

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Vogel wrote:From MLB.com depth chart for rotation:
Braden
Cahill
Mazzarro
Anderson
Duchsherer

One of those guys is the odd man out.
I was gonna make an "Outman is the odd man out, man" joke, but then I remembered he had TJS.

I think the rotation goes like this:

Sheets
Anderson
Duchscherer
Cahill
Gio

With Braden and Mazzarro in long relief or Sacramento.
C SMurphy
1B NLowe|Vogelbach
2B Profar|Dubon|LGarcía
3B Riley|Paredes
SS Torres
OF LGurriel|Laureano|Taveras|AGarcía|Oliva
UT Álvarez
SP Darvish|Buehler|Stroman|Kikuchi|DeSclafani|Lindblom|Brault
RP Williams|Antone|Duffey|Brebbia|Wisler
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Re: Discuss the draft

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wsuguay wrote:
Vogel wrote:BTW, can we put a cap on during draft trades? This is getting a tad ridiculous.
Agreed. I can understand moving up to snag Adam Lind, Nelson Cruz and other players that have clearly slipped and won't make it back, but we're talking about trading up to picks in the upper 300's to select your 4th RP.

Fucking up my fuckin' speadsheet....fuck.
This.
C SMurphy
1B NLowe|Vogelbach
2B Profar|Dubon|LGarcía
3B Riley|Paredes
SS Torres
OF LGurriel|Laureano|Taveras|AGarcía|Oliva
UT Álvarez
SP Darvish|Buehler|Stroman|Kikuchi|DeSclafani|Lindblom|Brault
RP Williams|Antone|Duffey|Brebbia|Wisler
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Re: Discuss the draft

Post by Pocket full of Posey »

Agreed. Also, is this effecting our number of transactions to go towards the regular season?
C: Suzuki, Pierzynski
1B: Morales, G. Jones
2B: J. Weeks, Sanchez
3B: Chipper, Valencia
SS: Cozart, Pastornicky
OF: Braun, Bourn, Ichiro, Tabata
SP: Halladay, Lester, Wainwright, Chacin, Norris, Blanton, Porcello
RP: Soria, Romo, Fuentes, Abreu, Axelrod
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Re: Discuss the draft

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Could have sworn we were in a month long, 'baseball obsession', laid back winter draft. All of a sudden there is a premium on time limits, and draft day trades. Seems contradictory.
C- Gomes
1b- Carter,Howard
2b- Murphy,Gregorius
ss- Reyes,A.Cabrera,Galvis
3b- Santana,Asche,Franco
OF-Gomez,Brantley,Blackmon,Dyson,Victorino
U- Bruce
SP- Smyly,Fiers,E.Santana,Lohse,Hudson,Leake,Wada
RP- Casilla,Roark,Strickland,O'Day,Vincent,Kelly
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Re: Discuss the draft

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How I currently feel about this draft/leauge----> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3lGKMXYOG8
C- Gomes
1b- Carter,Howard
2b- Murphy,Gregorius
ss- Reyes,A.Cabrera,Galvis
3b- Santana,Asche,Franco
OF-Gomez,Brantley,Blackmon,Dyson,Victorino
U- Bruce
SP- Smyly,Fiers,E.Santana,Lohse,Hudson,Leake,Wada
RP- Casilla,Roark,Strickland,O'Day,Vincent,Kelly
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Re: Discuss the draft

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I am the unofficial "Trader Jack" of this board, and unapologetically so. The wheeling and dealing aspect of this draft has made the past 18 rounds significantly more fun for me, which ultimately is why we are doing this thing in the first place, right? Being that I'm one of the quickest, and proactive drafters on this board, I take offense to the suggestion that I might somehow being slowing this thing down. It's certainly not the case from my perspective. As far as the spreadsheet goes, I have a hard time believing that adding a trade to the sheet is such an off-putting activity. I'd be happy to volunteer my services as the spreadsheet organizer for the remainder of this draft, or next year's if that's any consolation.
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C Varsho
1B Joe, Smith
2B Torres
3B Bohm, Kim
SS Witt, Lopez
OF Soto, Mullins, Grossman, Naquin
U Suzuki, Gorman
SP Alcantara, Montas, Verlander, Rodriguez, Greene, Corbin, Kelly, Glasnow
RP Iglesias, Rogers, Trivino, Barnes, Giles
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Re: Discuss the draft

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Scrantonicity wrote:Being that I'm one of the quickest, and proactive drafters on this board, I take offense to the suggestion that I might somehow being slowing this thing down. It's certainly not the case from my perspective.
I didn't think anyone was bring up time as an issue.
Scrantonicity wrote:As far as the spreadsheet goes, I have a hard time believing that adding a trade to the sheet is such an off-putting activity. I'd be happy to volunteer my services as the spreadsheet organizer for the remainder of this draft, or next year's if that's any consolation.
I'm not talking about THE spreadsheet. I'm talking about MY spreadsheet, and I was joking. Honestly though, it gives me a headache to see these trades being thrown around, especially when they seem so trivial. Not trying to spoil anybody's fun, but it's coming across as excessive.
Scrantonicity wrote:As far as the suggestion that draft trades count towards overall activity in-season- Eat me! That's bullshit, and you know it.
I think this is a stupid suggestion. These moves shouldn't count against the limit. As a matter of fact, I was under the impression that trades during the regular season wouldn't be factored into the 20, just FA pickups. Am I incorrect?
C M. Montero
1B Butler
2B Cano
SS Aybar
3B P. Sandoval
OF Heyward/Trumbo/Pagan/McLouth/Kubel
U Freese/Morneau/Pronk
SP Peavy/B.Anderson/Lynn/Holland/McCarthy/Baker
RP Marshall/W.Wright
DL Beachy
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Re: Discuss the draft

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wsuguay wrote:
Scrantonicity wrote:Being that I'm one of the quickest, and proactive drafters on this board, I take offense to the suggestion that I might somehow being slowing this thing down. It's certainly not the case from my perspective.
I didn't think anyone was bring up time as an issue.
Scrantonicity wrote:As far as the spreadsheet goes, I have a hard time believing that adding a trade to the sheet is such an off-putting activity. I'd be happy to volunteer my services as the spreadsheet organizer for the remainder of this draft, or next year's if that's any consolation.
I'm not talking about THE spreadsheet. I'm talking about MY spreadsheet, and I was joking. Honestly though, it gives me a headache to see these trades being thrown around, especially when they seem so trivial. Not trying to spoil anybody's fun, but it's coming across as excessive.
Scrantonicity wrote:As far as the suggestion that draft trades count towards overall activity in-season- Eat me! That's bullshit, and you know it.
I think this is a stupid suggestion. These moves shouldn't count against the limit. As a matter of fact, I was under the impression that trades during the regular season wouldn't be factored into the 20, just FA pickups. Am I incorrect?
I appreciate this response. I'm glad that your not feeling as if I'm dragging out the draft- but disagree that you feel my moves are excessive.

I'll use my last pick, Nick Masset, as an example. I feel quite confident that he was not going to last 20 picks with the way RPs are flying off the board. He's the #2 guy in Cincy (behind a very average Cordero IMHO) and is a positive 3 category player with K's, ERA and WHIP. Quite honestly, he was the number one player on my board. And yes, I think I might have to move this post to "toot your own horn" because I'm loving that pick :)

EDIT: I just reread the "question" about whether or not the trades should be counted. If it was an honest question, and not an implied suggestion masking itself as a question, then I apologize for the last point in my rant.
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C Varsho
1B Joe, Smith
2B Torres
3B Bohm, Kim
SS Witt, Lopez
OF Soto, Mullins, Grossman, Naquin
U Suzuki, Gorman
SP Alcantara, Montas, Verlander, Rodriguez, Greene, Corbin, Kelly, Glasnow
RP Iglesias, Rogers, Trivino, Barnes, Giles
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Re: Discuss the draft

Post by S-Man »

Transactions = FA pickups

Trades do not qualify as "transactions" in the yahoo format.
C Murphy
1b Goldschmidt
2b Wong
3b Machado
SS Polanco
OF Robert, Schwarber, Laureano
Util Hampson
BN Kepler, Santana, Margot, Peralta
SP Webb, Darvish, Manaea, S. Gray, Lauer, Martinez, Hill
RP Suarez, Houck, Soto, Wick
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Re: Discuss the draft

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Scrantonicity wrote:
wsuguay wrote:
Scrantonicity wrote:Being that I'm one of the quickest, and proactive drafters on this board, I take offense to the suggestion that I might somehow being slowing this thing down. It's certainly not the case from my perspective.
I didn't think anyone was bring up time as an issue.
Scrantonicity wrote:As far as the spreadsheet goes, I have a hard time believing that adding a trade to the sheet is such an off-putting activity. I'd be happy to volunteer my services as the spreadsheet organizer for the remainder of this draft, or next year's if that's any consolation.
I'm not talking about THE spreadsheet. I'm talking about MY spreadsheet, and I was joking. Honestly though, it gives me a headache to see these trades being thrown around, especially when they seem so trivial. Not trying to spoil anybody's fun, but it's coming across as excessive.
Scrantonicity wrote:As far as the suggestion that draft trades count towards overall activity in-season- Eat me! That's bullshit, and you know it.
I think this is a stupid suggestion. These moves shouldn't count against the limit. As a matter of fact, I was under the impression that trades during the regular season wouldn't be factored into the 20, just FA pickups. Am I incorrect?
I appreciate this response. I'm glad that your not feeling as if I'm dragging out the draft- but disagree that you feel my moves are excessive.

I'll use my last pick, Nick Masset, as an example. I feel quite confident that he was not going to last 20 picks with the way RP are flying off the board. He's the #2 guy in Cincy (behind a very average Cordero IMHO) and is positive 3 category player with K's, ERA and WHIP. Quite honestly, he was the number one player on my board. And yes, I think I might have to move this post to "toot your own horn" because I'm loving that pick :)

And yes, the original suggestion about trades being counted as transactions was really ignorant. I can't emphasize this enough, for all the reasons you pointed out.

EDIT: I just reread the "question" about whether or not the trades should be counted. If it was an honest question, and not an implied suggestion masking itself as a question, then I apologize for the last rant.
Yeah, being called ignorant when I was just asking if something counted towards a rule we set before the draft started isn't sitting really well with me. I wasn't implying anything with my post, I just wanted to know.

You guys all really need to lighten up. Seriously.
C: Suzuki, Pierzynski
1B: Morales, G. Jones
2B: J. Weeks, Sanchez
3B: Chipper, Valencia
SS: Cozart, Pastornicky
OF: Braun, Bourn, Ichiro, Tabata
SP: Halladay, Lester, Wainwright, Chacin, Norris, Blanton, Porcello
RP: Soria, Romo, Fuentes, Abreu, Axelrod
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Re: Discuss the draft

Post by Vogel »

Wow, sorry to start all this. :oops:
C - S Murphy
1b -Bell
2b - Muncy
SS- Lindor
3b - Vlad Guerrero Jr.
OF - Robles, Puig, Verdugo
UTIL -Adell, Kike, Taylor, Bauers, Bote, Dalbec
SP - Ray, Fried, Canning, Cease, Lester, Pearson
RP - Barnes, Kelly, Harris, Wood, Nelson
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Re: Discuss the draft

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Pocket full of Posey wrote:
Yeah, being called ignorant when I was just asking if something counted towards a rule we set before the draft started isn't sitting really well with me. I wasn't implying anything with my post, I just wanted to know.

You guys all really need to lighten up. Seriously.
Consider me 10 pounds lighter (I wish). And please accept my apology- thought for sure you were trying to fire me up, as I was getting a hail storm of critique for my trading ways, and assumed that you were suggesting that we account for the trades as transactions. The timeliness of the question certainly put me on-guard- and for that I apologize again.
C Varsho
1B Joe, Smith
2B Torres
3B Bohm, Kim
SS Witt, Lopez
OF Soto, Mullins, Grossman, Naquin
U Suzuki, Gorman
SP Alcantara, Montas, Verlander, Rodriguez, Greene, Corbin, Kelly, Glasnow
RP Iglesias, Rogers, Trivino, Barnes, Giles
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Re: Discuss the draft

Post by RoidRager »

This is hilarious. Please keep calling each other names. I feel like I'm getting my $25 worth now.
C: Posey
1B: Butler
2B: Hill
3B: Bautista
SS: Escobar
OF: McCutchen, Cruz, Rios
Util: Presley
SP: Greinke, Beckett, Lilly, Bedard, Peavy, Capuano
RP: Wilson, Venters, D. Carpenter, Wood, Dotel
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